Survivor Live Internet Talk Show with Alex Angarita
Episode 12 - Survivor: Fiji  Cast-Off 
Segment 2 Transcript

DR:  Alex, I was a little confused by your final words.  First of all, you dedicate it to the kids, you told them to keep on dreaming, never stop dreaming, you then said the final six were living in a dreamland. 

JM:  It's a dreamy last words and I don't mean dreams with a "z".

DR:  We were talking a little bit before the break about the hidden immunity idol.

JM:  Oh, it's hard to talk about.

DR:  It was fantastic.  

Alex:  It was good TV but bad for me.

DR:  It was brilliant.  Your pain is our gain.  Edgardo was here and he told us that right before TC he felt that it might be him.  Take us through your thoughts as you go to TC, the voting and everything.

Alex:  There's this little voice inside that said, "All is not as it seems."  I'm sitting there at Tribal and looking over at Ed and I'm watching them write the name down and I'm like, "God it's taking them a long time to write 'Alex'."  Yau-Man said that thing about taking out the soldiers instead of like the top.  I was like, "Oh, man, it's Ed."  That voice kept getting louder and louder, "Give it to Ed."   I had to stick to the information I was given but had I gone with my gut it would have been a completely different game.  I played it right, I feel like. 

JM:  Recently, in seasons, people have been watching how long it takes for people to write names down.  Sometimes you can get a really good read on that. 

Alex:  I thought maybe they were trying to throw me off by writing long names. 

DR:  Did you ever think that Dreamz had turned on you guys?

Alex:  I felt like Dreamz was probably on our side.  I was under the assumption that it was in his best interest, just him being a rational player, that to turn on us now would make no sense.  There was always the possibility that he leaked information.  So, I wasn't 100% with Dreamz but I didn't think that it was going to go down the way it did, like that, so blatant.  But that's the way the cookie crumbles. 

Caller:   As a viewer, long time applicant and wannabe, you appeared to be very complacent in the last two episodes when Mookie, and then you, were voted out.  Your alliances appeared to be with those who created distrust, with the exception of Edgardo.  Possibly due to editing, you are not shown to do much towards the camp work or to interplay with the others.  I would like to know your take on my comments. 

Alex:  In terms of my contribution to the camp, I absolutely contributed.  In fact, if you look back in the episode, it was Dreamz that said, "Let's keep him around because at least he helps around camp."   I feel like I was definitely a contributor.  In terms of interplay with the other members, you're not allowed to see everything but I feel like the reason why I was accepted back after the Mookie vote and I was able to talk to Dreamz, you saw me talking to Dreamz, you saw me talking to Stacy and all them.  I took the time to try to get to know these guys.  Whether it was on camera and people at home saw it was a different story.

DR:  I didn't see that at all in terms of being complacent.  If anything, I think you were viewed as the leader of the four horsemen.   If they're viewing Alex as the leader that means they think he's the dangerous one.  I saw you, throughout the entire run of it, always working strategically.  As far as the not working thing, this hasn't been a season where there was this big, 'these people are not working' thing.  There's always a drama in the show about the people that are not working and the people that are working and are pissed.  We haven't seen that this time at all. 

JM:  There's very few people who do absolutely nothing.  There was maybe like one person on my season the entire time who did nothing.  It wasn't even me.  We all had to do at least a little bit of something. 

DR:  Who wasn't working?

JM:  I bet I could guess.

Alex:  Take a guess.

JM:  Maybe it's a girl?

Alex:  Maybe it starts with Stacy.

JM:  There are some people who just get so comfortable in their alliance that they just don't care.  I definitely was guilty of that a couple of times. 

Alex:  Stacy was not working very hard.  Cassandra didn't work very hard.  It did get frustrating especially after the whole thing went down with Dreamz and the vote off of Edgardo.  She's talking about not feeding us.  What?  You're not even feeding yourself. 

JM:  The less people there the more work each person has to take on. 

DR:  We talk about Stacy.  Stacy took a few shots in the face in this [Reward Challenge].  Check it out.

<Video Clip of Reward Challenge>

DR:  You all just look rank, that meat all over your bodies.  Did you want to go to Exile Island in hopes of getting a clue or did you want to stay with people and try to work strategy?

Alex:  I thought Exile Island was probably, getting that clue, that's what's going to give me the most power. 

JM:  The second clue, right?  Earl might find that. 

DR:  Was Earl happy to go?

Alex:  Yeah.

JM:  Clearly on the top of the totem pole.  He's sharing the hidden immunity idol with Yau-Man.  I don't think anybody even knows that.  He has nothing to worry about.

Alex:  I would have loved to have gone to Exile Island at that point.  I knew I was going for a hail Mary.  I might as well go for the one that's going to give me more bang for my buck. 

DR:  If I'm on that tribe and you go to Exile Island, I tell my tribe, someone follows him every single place he goes when he gets back. 

JM:  Did you think about following Earl when he got back?

Alex:  I thought about that a little bit.  There's just not enough time.  If I had gone to Exile Island, I doubt if they would have followed me in the middle of the night because I would have been looking.  

Caller:  Alex, rats and snakes, snakes and rats, you epitomize both and are to be commended for it.  Does it stick in your crawl at all when competitors in like an IC don't give their all?

Alex:  It does.  It's not how I live my life but I'm also not going to judge others for how they chose to live their life.  If somebody wants to sit out an IC, the whole world is seeing that. 

JM:  We will certainly judge, though. 

Alex:  I won't say they're a bad person, they're just a lazy person. 

DR:  I'm not trying to start a Stacy bashing thing but I think it is interesting because we obviously saw the coffee thing.  That was borderline reprehensible the way it looked on TV.  We haven't really seen a lot of Stacy on TV since then. 

JM:  She's not positive.

DR:   I wouldn't say a ton of overly negative stuff on TV about her but everyone that comes through here has stuff to say about Stacy.  Why is everyone so anti-Stacy? 

Alex:  For me on a personal level, I saved her with the Michelle vote and she quickly stabbed me in the back.  So I have my own personal axe to grind for those reasons.  She is just the kind of person that, you live with these people day in and day out.  You get to know everyone, right.  As much as I think people wanted to get to know Stacy, they always felt that there was a veneer.  I know it's a game, I know everyone's playing poker but where is the real person?  With Stacy I never got a sense of a real person.  What are you all about? The few tidbits I did get were a lot of times negative, some in my direction. 

JM:  Survivor is like friendship on steroids.  The people you like, you quickly come to love them, the people you don't like, you quickly come to hate them because you can't get away from them.

Alex:  Especially if someone has been disloyal to you.  Like, I saved her.  She stabbed me right in the back. 

Caller:  Alex, what was your biggest mistake that ended up causing you to get voted out?  Who was the most annoying person out of everyone?

Alex:  I think we answered the second one already.  My biggest mistake, I would say that, looking back on it, I probably should have kept Lisi on but she was so unstable.  With the information that I had in front of me, I don't think I would have done anything differently.  In hindsight, I probably would have taken more of a gamble on Lisi.  I'm at peace with my performance. 

DR:  What about bringing Mookie in on the whole hidden immunity idol thing.  Was that a mistake?

Alex:  It was not my decision.  Edgardo's decision. I was very clear about keeping it to as few people as possible but that was out of my hands. 

Caller:  About the IC, we couldn't tell from the editing, why did you try to climb that last step?  Did you lose your paddle?  

Alex:  I did lose my paddle at the very bottom.  Boo and Dreamz are physically stronger and had just eaten.  If I was going to beat them it was going to be by taking this sort of hail Mary approach.  Maybe I could just shimmy up the thing.  I almost got to the very top.  My arms just gave out on me. 

Probst's Thoughts:  Alex is in many ways the prototype for the perfect survivor.  He's a smart guy who's constantly trying to flip the game in his favor, which is really what you look for.  From a producing point of view, your homerun is the person who, when they're in trouble, will try to change the game to stay alive.  Alex did that from day one until he was no longer a part of the show, whether that was day 4, 5, 6, 7, 21, 38 or 39, we won't know until now.  Really good to have him on the show.

JM:  He also said that about Mookie.  Mookie is that same kind of person.  Fight to the death and that's what we like to see. 

DR:  On the one hand it looked like that when he was going through people's bags and you said that he was ready to go home.

Alex:  Yeah, that was a bit schizophrenic.  He was playing off you, you were playing off him, you were using each other to sort of get what you both needed. 

JM:  You can use Jeff to get some things for yourself, too, if you play him properly.

Alex:  Absolutely. 

DR:  We are going to take a quick break.

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