Survivor Live Internet Talk Show with 
Rebecca Borman and Jenny Guzon-Bae
Episode 9 Survivor: Cook Islands  Cast-Off 
Segment 2 Transcript

JM = Jenna Morasca     DR = Dalton Ross     

Rebecca = Rebecca Borman   Jenny = Jenny Guzon-Bae

DR:  Jenny, we've been talking a lot about this on Survivor: Live.  People have come in and we've noticed the infamous doodling on the parchment.   Sometimes when you're in school you do some doodling and you get in trouble.  What we are talking about is when you voted out Cristina and you put on there a little gun that seems to be shooting bullets or something out at Cristina's name.  A lot of people were very upset.  Cristina has this history.  She was shot.  Her father was killed by a gun and we had a caller who was very angry about it.  "This is so insensitive of her."  I said that I'd be very curious to see when Jenny comes what she was thinking about.  To me it seemed that she wasn't thinking about that and has another reason.  So, the floor is yours Jenny.  What were you thinking when you put that on there?

Jenny:  Well, you're exactly right.  All it was is simply a drawing.  That's all it was and I drew a picture for everybody.  J.P. had a volleyball because he's a volleyball player.  Brad, it was a fish because he was our best fisherman. 

Rebecca:  What did I have?

Jenny:  You know, I don't know.  I forgot.  I really forgot.  Cristina, cop, gun.  I did not mean for it to be malicious or hurtful in any way.  I did apologize to her that she had felt that way.  Even when we came back from camp no one said anything.  So I was kind of surprised about everybody's reaction about it.  The outside world knows every Survivor's back story.  All I cared to know was what are your strengths, what are your weaknesses, in order to play the game.  It was just a drawing. 

DR:  It had that air to me of like when you say something to someone in conversation or you send an email and you think about an angle and they're like, "oh wait a minute", I probably shouldn't have said that.  I forgot about this person's past or history.  When did you realize that it maybe wasn't appropriate?

Jenny:  Not until it was aired.  They brought it up on her Early Show interview.  I was like, "Oh, did she feel that way?"  I'm so sorry, I mean really, it was just a drawing.  Of course in hindsight you're saying, "Maybe I should have done a badge."  It was just one of those quickie things I put together. 

DR:  Rebecca, at the time, did you think anything of it when you saw it?

Rebecca:  I honestly thought nothing of it.  When you make the correlation between cop, you think gun.  The first thing you think is gun.  And knowing Jenny I know that she would never put a gun there mean like, put a gun to her head.  It's a game and there were no malicious thoughts in her writing that.  I'm sure of that. 

DR:  Case closed. 

JM:  Let's get to the good stuff where she flips off the jury.  I love when people are mad when they leave because you should be mad when you leave and especially in your case because I know, like I talked to a bunch of other Survivors right after that and it's a little bit different for us than it is for the viewers.  Everybody that has been on the show is appalled because we're thinking, oh my God I would have never been able to deal with that because you have no chance.  They said they were going to vote for someone else.  My thinking is Jonathan because he got a couple of votes when you were gone so that would make the most sense.  How it switched like that is confusing to me.  Was there like a nudge that we missed or did Adam say something to someone?  

Jenny:  I don't know what was going on.  I was in the front row.  Candice and Jonathan on this side and the other three on this side.  I really was trying to judge because there was no communication, nothing verbal.  So you're trying to see what the body language is all about.  It really was unfair because I wish I had the opportunity to defend myself if I knew it was going to be me.  I felt cheated.  I think that if I had the opportunity to speak and say anything then I would have talked my way through it and be there still.

JM:  To anybody who's ever played, it was like our worst nightmare.  It's a situation where you're completely helpless.

DR:  I loved it.  Not because I wanted to see Jenny go but as a dramatic device, I hate when they have two tribes compete and the winning tribe still has to vote someone out.  I hate that.  I think that's blatantly unfair. 

JM:  That's pretty lame, too.  This might be even more lame.

DR:  How is it lame?

JM:  Because this is the point [double tribal councils] where everybody knew that they were both going so you had some chance to prepare.

Jenny:  If Aitu had lost they would have lost two of their four.

JM:  Yeah, they would have been in big trouble.  What would they have done in that situation?  But the best part was when you flipped them off which I thought was great.

Caller:  Jenny and Rebecca, you both look very nice.  Rebecca, what happened to your hair?

Rebecca:  What do you mean?

Caller:  It's all gone.

Rebecca:  Well during the show I had my hair in braids and now the braids are out and this is just me. 

JM:  It looks really short on camera.

DR:  She's hiding it in stealth mode.

Rebecca:  This is the actual length.  When I did have braids they were extensions which made them even longer but this is it.  This is as long as it gets. 

JM:  You did have extensions in during the show?  No problem?

Rebecca:  No problem at all.  

JM:  Heidi had her extensions in during the show, too.

Rebecca:  It's actually easier. 

Caller:   When Candice and Jonathan first jumped ship why weren't they immediately alarmed by that?  I would feel totally threatened that they felt comfortable enough to abandon one tribe and merge into yours.  And also you guys kept saying, "Oh I can't believe they'd do that.  They are coming in on our territory."  Yet nobody does anything to get rid of them. 

DR:  I guess it starts with Brad being voted off.  That's really the first.

Jenny:  They were questioning his loyalty.  The numbers were dwindling and the merge was coming.  They knew Brad had a very good bond with Yul and Becky. 

Rebecca:  And Brad pretty much put it out there that he didn't trust any of us.  We might all think that in playing the game but you don't have to put it out there blatantly in your face.  "I don't trust you."  And "It's every man for himself" is also another line that he threw out there on the day that we decided to vote him off.  So loyalty was a factor in that vote off. 

JM:  Jonathan had no options and Candice had no options.

Rebecca:  We thought that Jonathan had no options but we thought that we could control that and he was going to be the next to go.  Then with Candice we were kind of blindsided because we had no idea when Candice jumped ship that her relationship with Adam had already begun from day one.  So there was no getting her off the island at that point.  We both knew, looked at each other and said, "we're screwed in regards to Candice but we do have Jonathan in our back pocket."  So we thought but in the end he worked his way in and here we are. 

JM:  What would have happened if they jumped over and you and Parvati and Nate and you guys just said, "let's get rid of Candice, screw Adam if he doesn't want to join us."   He can be the only one who doesn't vote for her.  Or is it because everyone is kind of afraid of Adam?

Jenny:  No, not at all.

JM:  He's kind of running the show.

Rebecca:  It's because Parvati and Adam and Nate have become extremely tight.  Once they came over to the camp, to me personally, they were tighter than the alliance that I had with Nate or with Adam and Parvati for sure.  An inner-alliance developed outside of our original five. 

DR:  Let's show this clip before the Immunity Challenge.  You guys are preparing for the Immunity Challenge and Rebecca, you're not getting a whole lot of respect here.

<video clip of Rebecca studying map of islands>

DR:  I was very uncomfortable watching this clip.  "Am I confusing you?"   What are you thinking as that's going on?

JM:  Is she [Parvati] a genius?  <laughter>

Rebecca:  They had devised a whole way to remember that map as opposed to remembering it as is.  They decided to make a story out of it where you're on a van and you're going to one island and you're dancing across to another island.  She's trying to show me her theory as opposed to just remembering it as it is on the actual map.  And then the alarm is going off that I know I had to be strong I had collapsed in that one challenge and it was my fault that Adam had to go to Exile Island and he's pissed at me.  The attention is definitely on me and I performed. 

DR:  Here's my question, directed at Jenny.  Suppose Rebecca is not strong on the challenges.  You're going in with a 4 person advantage.  You can sit her out of every single Immunity Challenge.  The rewards are nice but clearly not as important as Immunity. 

Jenny:  Why would I do that?  I know Rebecca really enjoys this game and wanted to be a part.  Why just have her sit there while we go and do the work?  No, I would never do that.  Rebecca, mentally, was there for this game.  When you're depleted of all your nutrients and compete in these very difficult challenges you realize in the middle of it, your body is just giving. 

Rebecca:  And that was in one challenge.  There were other challenges where I was very strong.  I came there to play.  I played the best that I possibly could and if it wasn't good enough to my tribe, so be it. 

JM:  The whole tribe is losing.  The whole tribe is not doing something right. 

DR:  The challenges are not the whole game of Survivor.  We've seen people win this game without doing well in the challenges.  Sandra won the game and I don't think won a single challenge. 

JM:  It's a social game way more than anything else. 

Caller:  I have a question for Rebecca.  Did you cry when you got voted off or how did you feel?

Rebecca:  No.  I didn't cry at all.  I was just disgusted with my tribe.  I knew that they had made the wrong decision.  I knew that it was going to be bad for them to keep Jonathan there for one.  I felt like that there was more of a love triangle going on than actually playing the game.  That all contributed to hurting me.  It was a feeling of disgust and disappointment. 

JM:  Do you think that Jonathan is toxic to your tribe?  Do you think he's what's bringing you guys down?

Rebecca:  I say no.  I think that my tribe altogether made the decision to keep Jonathan through Brad, through me and through Jenny.  They collectively made this decision.  It's their own fault whatever happens going forward if it doesn't work out to their benefit. 

Jenny:  I'm sure Jonathan is asking himself, too, "wow, why am I still here?" 

JM:  Especially after last night and him getting those couple of votes. 

Caller:  Jenny and Rebecca, I want to know, if there had been a merge, would you have voted with your own tribe or would you have switched and voted with Aitu?

Rebecca:  If there had been a merge I probably would have voted with my own tribe.  I'm a loyal person.  If there had been a merge there would have been no reason for me to believe that they would turn on me at that point.  So I would have stuck with my original tribe. 

DR:  Jenny you had two people from your original tribe over there so you would be the person who we'd think would flip.  Would you have?

Jenny:  I definitely wouldn't have.  Yul and Becky are very good people but we just didn't click when we were...we worked together as a team very well but individually we really didn't have much in common.  I actually had more in common with Cao Boi than the other three.  So there was no way for me to flip at that point.  I made sure that they knew that after awhile so that when it did come time for a merge that I would still be a good ally. 

JM:  I'm starting to think that they might not even merge. 

DR:  I think a merge is coming. 

JM:  I think that is possible.  I also think what is possible, which would really tick me off, that they are going to let the players that are currently in action vote off someone that is on the jury.  That would be sooooo awful. 

DR:  We talked about this last week.  Something funky is going on with the jury.  Right now there would be a ten person jury.  That's a 5/5 tie even if you have a final three.  I said it last week, I think someone's getting voted off or vote nullified. 

JM:  If they would ever break a tie for the final by a fire making challenge for a million dollars that would be the lamest thing. 

DR:  What would piss you off more?  That or seeing more clips of Candice and Jonathan making out?

JM:  I don't like ever seeing any kind of love affair on Survivor.  I think it's a game.  Play it as a game.  When Ethan and I went to go on the All Stars we were going to keep it completely separate.  Maybe it's because I love Survivor so much and I respect the game.  And it's disgusting. 

DR:  This is from a girl who got naked for chocolate and peanut butter.

JM:  But I didn't touch anyone!  I'm just saying, you haven't brushed your teeth.

Jenny:  I agree with Jenna.  It's a game.  Play it as a game.  If you are attracted to someone and you feel that don't put it into the game at all.  Wait til it's all said and done. 

JM:  It's dangerous.

Jenny:  It is very dangerous.  You think just because having a relationship is going to help you get further.  You don't know that. 

JM:  And after the Rob and Amber thing that's a major red flag. 

<Probst Thoughts about Jenny>

Jeff Probst:  Jenny.  Jenny always had this wry smile on her face.  Like you never knew if she was thinking, "oh you're funny or you're really a loser."  Always kept me on my toes because Jenny did not want to say anything.  She'd try to convince other people, "Don't tell him anything."  We go to Tribal Council and it would be like, "I don't know."   Made it very difficult for me but from a person playing the game I totally respected it and get it.  Jenny is a good player in the game.  If we played this game again I expect she would do well again. 

DR:  I love what he said there because he depends on you guys to give him stuff at Tribal Council.  Often the best thing to do is not give him stuff. 

Jenny:  He was very frustrated with that because he would ask questions and get a lot of details and you really didn't want to reveal too much.  Plus, you're being cautious around certain people, too.  You don't want them to really know what you're thinking. 

DR:  We're coming right back.  We're going to do a Minus Ten.

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