Survivor Live Internet Talk Show with Nathan Gonzales
Episode 10 Survivor: Cook Islands  Cast-Off 
Segment 2 Transcript

JM = Jenna Morasca     DR = Dalton Ross    Nate = Nathan Gonzales

DR:  We talked about this, how great this episode was and how this season has really picked up steam hard core the past three weeks since the mutiny.  Jenny and Rebecca had some interesting thoughts on this and I want to get Nate's thoughts.  Just on the perception angle of the mutiny from the viewers standpoint because when that happens and Jonathan and Candice jump to your tribe and you guys are up 8 to 4 and you see the way it's portrayed on TV.  Aitu is all of a sudden these incredible underdogs and everyone is rooting for them.  Your tribe almost end up as the villains.  Was that sort of weird to watch it on TV that way?

Nate:  Yeah, it was.  That mutiny was the death of us.  I knew Candice was kewl.  When I first got kidnapped by Aitu I spoke with Candice and I spoke with Sundra.  Sundra wanted to work with Rebecca and I again.  Candice wanted to work with Parvati and Adam.  So we all thought about long term, possibly merging and keeping the numbers in our favor.  When that mutiny happened, Candice jumping over, I knew she was going to jump but I was hoping she would have waited til the merge because I think that jump was betraying your tribe and doing that on a mutiny was just bad.  It's bad karma.  I told her...I love her.  Candice is my girl but that was just not cool to do it to them and their bad karma came over to us.  That's why the last four votes have all been Raro.  It's got that bad funk.

JM:  It seems like Candice has kind of gotten a little bit of a free pass when she came over.  Everyone was like "Jonathan is a traitor."  But Candice seemed to maybe get a free ride.  Is that because of the deal that she made with you or Adam kind of greased the wheels a little bit before she came over?

Nate:  She knew she had me, the way her and I clicked when I was kidnapped.  I knew her and Adam and Parvati were uhhhh...

JM:  She's also not as abrasive as Jonathan.

Nate:  She came over and she just felt comfortable.  She knew she had more numbers with us.  She was welcome with us.  I was cool with her I just wish maybe she would have acted later.  We never knew if we were going to merge.  You never know.  She saw the opportunity, she took it.  It was bad for them to do it because they betrayed and they reap what they sow. 

DR:  And now you do as a tribe.

Nate:  We went from the 8/4 to the now 4/4.

Caller:  What was your reaction to J.P. and Jenny getting voted off?

Nate:  My reaction to J.P. as you can see, I knew the women were trying to control the numbers in our tribe.  Everyone thought I was out of the loop but I wasn't.  I thought that was stupid.  I made an alliance with J.P. that I had his back.  I'm a man of my word.  Regardless of who everyone is going to vote against I'm gonna still vote where I thought Stephannie should go, regardless of people calling me a race traitor.  When you merge you don't see color.  You see what a person does and how you can trust a person and what they can bring to your team.  I love Stephannie, don't get me wrong.  But I didn't feel her head was in the game enough to keep her over J.P.   He was a very strong asset.  He was maybe demanding, commanding but we all knew that.  Fine, let him do his thing.  I said, "Let the king sit pretty."  I meant just let him keep doing his thing but we don't need to get rid of him yet for challenges. 

JM:  How shocking was it to see that Brad was a member of the jury so early?

Nate:  Quite shocking. 

JM:  Sometimes for me it was like,  I can treat these people a little crappier because I know they're not going to have a vote if I make it that far.  But that throws everything off.

Nate:  It did.  We were like, "oh."  It's funny because there's a clip of Jenny and I holding and smiling and I think people were taking it wrong like we were excited for playing him and voting him off.  But we were kind of like, "we've been losing but we finally accomplished something, we hit the jury."  We at least made the jury. 

JM:  That's a big goal. 

Nate:  It was not about being proud about voting him off.  I love the guy.  For me and him it was kind of like three strikes and you're out.  The first one was not swimming.  We all agreed that we had to vote out Cristina and he voted for Jenny which was just out of I don't know what reasoning.  And then the comments of "it's every man for himself."  All those back to back in such a short period of time really made me question.  Then after seeing this last episode with Yul having the idol and him trying to find someone.  He would have had Brad in a second.  So, I love my boy Brad but I think it was smarter for us to...

DR:  This swimming thing.  When that challenge happened you had been kidnapped by the other tribe so you didn't have any say in what they did on the tribe.  He suggested doing puzzles.  No one argued with him about that.  Everyone agreed.  Should that much blame really be put on him for that?

Nate:  I never knew any of that out there.  I was kidnapped and went to the challenge and saw him sitting.  I also saw the other challenges where we needed someone swimming and said "who's our best swimmer?"  He put his hand up and decided to swim.   We had a challenge where we had to drag the two girls over and someone had to swim out and go get the wheel to compass and decode the puzzle.  He volunteered to swim and he did very good.  He almost kept us in that one because we were really behind.  So for me to see him swim and step up and say "I'm a good swimmer" and then not and take a puzzle on a cold day when I'm out and I can't swim.  Rebecca was a good swimmer but she was just physically tired at that point, I didn't think was smart.  I knew he was basically playing a role of being under the radar.  He was smart.  Brad's smart.  He also knew it was a point in the game where you also have to kind of sit back a little bit and play under the radar because you don't want to be viewed as a threat.  By him doing that and him sitting down put Adam and myself out there because then we were more of the threats because we were the only two guys in the challenges and this and that.  I was definitely upset. 

DR:  So he was moving the target off of himself.

Nate:  Exactly.

DR:  There is one image from one challenge that has been burned into my mind that I have not been able to get out

<clip of Nate doing the zipline>

Nate:  Don't show that again.

JM:  Your butt crack was hanging out the entire show.

Nate:  I lost so much weight out there.  I actually went down a couple of sizes in my trunks that I had.  I just couldn't hold it up. 

DR:  We're going to look at another clip of you Nate.  Check out Nate's parting words.

<clip of Nate's final words>

JM:  Those are some good ones.  Christy and you might be the best angry parting words.  Hers were a little shocking because she was crying hysterically.  I like that.  I like when people are angry when they lose a million dollars and the title of Survivor.  That's why you're there.  People who say you're here for the experience, maybe you should go to Sandals. 

Nate:  Honestly, I agree.  You wanna be positive and not be a sore loser by hey at the end of the day I came out here, I've been starving and doing all this stuff, working my behind off and get shot in the back.

JM:  A little bit of a raw deal, too, was Jonathan's decision.  It wasn't like you did something outrageous.  Those things really sting.

DR:  We've had negative comments about Jonathan from...

JM:  ...every person who has been on this show.

DR:  Pretty much everyone on this show.  It will be very interesting when Jonathan comes on here. 

JM:  I've definitely said some bad...I called him abrasive which I think he has to admit that he was a little bit abrasive on the show.  Maybe he's just like that all the time. 

DR:  I've always said I have no problem with anyone deceiving anyone in this game because that's what the game is.  You can be a traitor but you gotta somehow do it while making people like or respect you.

Caller:  My take on the jury thing, the last guy in is gonna get two votes. 

DR:  That's interesting.  I put out my theory that someone's vote is going to be nullified. 

JM:  I think the person who wins the final immunity will get to nullify, take out a person's vote but they'll still get to talk or ask a question or make a comment but their vote will not be counted. 

Caller:  In retrospect, do you see that he [Jonathan] had no choice but to switch again because whenever you're the fifth man on an alliance you're vulnerable to switch over?

Nate:  I think he could tell that Adam and I were close to the girls.  Obviously you can see Adam and Candice and how close they are.  I think he knew that us younger kids were kind of close.  I think he knew that regardless he wasn't going to be past the final five with us and that Yul's talk of, "Yeah, I'll take you to the Final Two because everyone doesn't like you."

JM:  Doesn't he know that everyone hates him so much that you'd maybe want to keep him around or you don't want to give him the satisfaction?

Nate:  No satisfaction with me. 

JM:  I can kind of understand that. 

Nate:  After he had a couple tries and Jenny should have still been in the game.

JM:  On the other side of the coin, Yul could be totally lying to him.  He could be the last person on their alliance now.  Now he's betrayed two tribes.  He could have almost looked like a little bit of a hero if he went back to his tribe that he mutinied to and said, "Look, Yul's got the idol.  Let's get rid of someone else."  Share that secret and maybe build some trust with you guys.  Then he would have only really betrayed one tribe.  Now he's really screwed everyone over.  And he's really made himself really clear that he is a traitor. 

DR:  He says that he has screwed over every single person in the game.  Maybe that's the clearest way to get into that final two.

JM:  Either move he was going to tick off somebody but I think he's made it almost impossible to win this game.  If he even gets to the final two, which I don't think will happen, I don't think there's a prayer.  It's going to be like Katie and Tom.  He'll get maybe one vote.

Nate:  My thing with him after seeing this play is okay, fine, you don't like me.  You know I don't like you.  You probably are realizing that I was trying to get you out last week because I knew you were bad blood.  So tell them to vote for me but stay with Raro and play the idol so that now it's an even playing field.  Why not just go along with Raro, Yul plays the idol, I go instead.  He gets what he wants.  Then Yul can't do anything to him.

JM:  The idol is out.  You need to get that idol out.

Nate:  The fact that he didn't do that shows me that I don't know what he was thinking.  Maybe he knew that he needed to play cool with Yul so that Yul would take him to the final two.  We'll see how it pans out.

DR:  This is why this is such a great episode strategically speaking because there's so many dimensions and things you could do.  Jonathan saying you gotta be on the team that has the immunity idol.  I'm not sure that's correct. 

<Probst's Thoughts>

Jeff Probst:  Nate.  Nate, I remember the first time we met in the casting room you were on like a lunch break from Nordstrom where you were selling shoes to women to come over and convince us you should be on the show.  Dude, you were on the show five minutes after you walked in the door.  Everybody loved you.  You made everybody laugh.  You taught me what snap means.  And you provided a lot of entertainment.  I hope we stay in touch because you've got a great spirit about you.  You really brought a lot of joy and you were a threat in this game.  You were a threat from day one because of your personality and your physical abilities.  I thank you for being on the show.

JM:  That's nice.

Nate:  That's my man.  Seriously, thank you, Jeff. 

JM:  He doesn't extend the keeping in touch invite out to many people.  Only a few, Colby.

Nate:  He was like our father out there when you go to Tribal.  He had a warm spirit.   I have to say, Jeff, you made it somewhat easier.  Thank you for your kind words.  I'll definitely always keep in touch.  Come be on my album, Jeff.  You gotta do a snap on my next album.

DR:  I was able to go to the first Tribal Council.  You were having fun, being funny, talking and I could see him.  That's what he wants and he was appreciating that. 

Nate:  I figured, it's reality.  It's a reality TV show. People want what's real.  I just went out to be myself.   This Tribal Council is amazing.  It was like a big fort. 

Caller:  I was very sad that you got voted out.  Your brother has that really cool show on E! that I like [Daily 10].  I was wondering if you want to follow in your brother's footsteps and get into the entertainment business.

Nate:  Definitely so.  It's kind of in our blood, you know.  I am working on a few projects with my brother as we speak.  Definitely going to follow in his footsteps.  He's a good big brother and he's a good role model. 

DR:  We gotta take a quick break.

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