Survivor Live Internet Talk Show with Jessica Smith
Episode 7 Survivor: Cook Islands  Cast-Off 
Segment 1 Transcript

DR:  Morasca is out so we've got Terry Deitz, Survivor: Exile Island extraordinaire contestant, dominator.

TD:  Well thank you, I'll take that compliment.

DR:  Terry wasn't sure if he was going to make it into the city today so we had to send a whambulence out to get him.

Terry:  <laughs>

DR:  How's everything been going?

TD:  It's been great.  I just finished 14 Modern Marvels for The History Channel and was involved in a documentary on a vintage baseball team who wear 1890's uniforms and don't wear gloves.  A couple of charities, cystic fibrosis, The One Foundation founded by Bono of U2 and some other stuff coming along.

DR:  Terry, tell us what you're thinking about Survivor: Cook Islands.  A very controversial twist to kick it off. 

TD:  First thought was the race thing is a big ratings grab.  I don't know about the whole big thing around Mark Burnett and not having minorities on the show but I did recognize that to me it was kind of a ratings grab.  For our four tribes, no one said anything about race or age and gender with us.  But when it breaks down to the two tribes it's just rare that you have anybody go back to their original tribes.  It was like that for us and it's going to be game on when they go to two tribes.  There are a couple of people I think might waver if one side ends up having a majority going into the merge.  But basically, kind of like Jonathan said at Tribal last night, "we're playing the game of Survivor" and we as former Survivors hope that's the way it's going to come out.

DR:  We've had a lot of dominating performers in the past few seasons.  Rupert from Pearl Islands, Tom Westman from Palau, we saw you last season in the challenges.  Is there a Westman/Deitz model for this season?  Could it be Ozzy, could it be Yul?  Is there someone when it gets into the individual time it's going to be real, real tough.

TD:  I see Ozzy and Yul dominating those challenges.  Parvati had a great challenge the other night.  And Candice.  All the folks on this Survivor are all smart people and all very athletic.  I don't think a lot of the challenges have been as athletic as ours was.  The rest is going to be fun to see.

DR:  Let's bring in our guest.  Jessica Smith aka Flica Flame.  You're looking awesome.  I'm loving the duds, the hair, the whole package.

Flica:  You're very kind.  I'm excited to be with you gentlemen.

DR:  Didn't want to see you this early.  Let me ask you.  The perception of you before this last episode is that you weren't really playing the game.  You were there for the experience, you were there to sort of...you're a very life experience oriented person and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but that's what I thought.  And last night we did see you working it.  We did see you working overtime.  Were you working the whole time or was it a last ditch effort?  What's the real story?

Flica:  We all tried to stick together at the beginning of the merge. I was really happy because I had a second chance.  But the whole chicken thing, they never let that go.  Jonathan should have told me he put those chickens under the box.  That would have saved that headache for me.  It just ended up because of Jonathan going with Yul and Becky and Candice and starting their little alliance, they didn't want the five of us to vote Becky off and that's really what changed the game for me.  If Yul and Jonathan didn't come up to me and get me to change my vote from Becky to CeCe then I think I would have been in the game a lot longer. 

DR:  Jonathan kept saying, "You gotta think long term.  This is a chess game."  How did that sit with you?

Flica:  I just don't sit well with Jonathan.  He just so annoys me.  I have a really hard time getting talked down to all the time from him.  He has creepy old man syndrome to me. 

TD:  As far as being the fifth person, you had a hard time dealing with Jonathan and that whole thing?

Flica:  Yeah because Jonathan kind of got caught up in his two faceness.  Candice and him had an alliance.  Then he went around telling everyone that I was in his back pocket and he could make me do anything he wanted.  That was really frustrating for me.  It wasn't true at all and kind of made me want to rebel against him.   I'm like, I hate that guy, why is he being like that?

DR:  Jonathan is playing the game very hard and I get the sense that Yul, strategically, is playing the game very hard.  But it's more obvious with Jonathan.   The problem is not that he's being strategic or double dealing, players of Survivor do that.  It's part of the game.  But he just is not being very subtle in it.  Is that the issue?

Flica:  There were lots of issues with Jonathan and I and the whole first Raro tribe.  I just wasn't feeling very comfortable having to sleep next to Candice and Adam and then Parvati is all trying to get in on that action and I was like, "Oh God, please no."  And here I am having to sleep next to Jonathan and that was just terrible.  And it was raining and we all had to just cuddle because it was freezing.

DR:  Jonathan was your cuddle bunny?

Flica:  No.  I was sleeping by myself a lot of the time especially after a couple of incidences that I thought he was doing things that I thought were inappropriate, it definitely made me want to sleep on the other side that Jonathan was on. 

DR:  <to Terry>  Tell us your impressions of Jonathan, watching him play.

TD:  He brought his game from day one.  I haven't really seen too much on the physical side but on the mental side he went out there and set up the five and after the merge got you guys together.  He always seems to have his game face on mentally.  Always thinking.  That's something we didn't have to do at my tribe, La Mina, til after the merge.  Once we got that alliance we just kind of relaxed about all that stuff. 

Flica:  I was actually hoping when we merged that I wouldn't end up on his team.  I was hoping that I'd get on the other team with the other hunky guys.  I honestly thought they were going to have a better shot at winning the challenges because they were so brawn and beefy and looked like the physical strength.  We just got lucky with the girls on our tribe. 

Caller:  It seemed like all of the girls are really nice on your tribe and they all seem to be really close.  Why didn't you guys just align and vote Jonathan off?  I thought he was really annoying.

Flica:  I also think that Jonathan was really annoying.  I really tried my hardest to align with those girls but I felt like they were boring because they would never leave camp.  They would just sit around and lay on the beach and not participate in trying to make our camp better by having more food.  Even just bringing in the white sand, we'd put the sand down and make it all like nice and they just weren't into it. 

DR:  We saw you one time try to get them to go for the boat ride.  They all just wanted nothing to do with it.  Were they being lazy or was it a strategic move?  They didn't want to isolate themselves.

Flica:  It didn't cross my mind that when we went to that other island that other people wouldn't think that's fun.  We weren't trying to form an alliance or trying to plot against anybody.  We were just trying to stay in the game as long as possible.  Win the challenges and when it comes to Tribal Council, deal with that at that moment but not trip on it the whole time you're out there. 

TD:  During that visit to the other island they just showed a lot of "get off our island, we don't want you here."   Were any of them kind of happy that you were there? 

Flica:  We were all like talking with each other and hanging out a little bit.  They definitely make it look like Cao Boi was doing all the talking and he made it super uncomfortable, the sun is going down.  It wasn't like that.  I remember everyone asking him what their sign was.  It was a back and forth conversation.  Ozzy and I were more quiet.  It was my old island and when I first got there I didn't recognize it except for like the trap that I left there that was for the fish.  I was like why would they let us...

DR:  Deitz you wouldn't have wanted them there, right?  If that was your tribe?

TD:  You never know what you can gleen.  Just watching your season, sometimes, it's like a parent watching...here comes a mistake.  It's like watching your kids make mistakes because I made tons of them.  I won some challenges but I made lots of mistakes.

Flica:  We didn't know they were going to be there.  We thought we were going to the old Puka island.  We thought we were going to get bananas and mangos and some fruit besides coconuts.  They [producers? cameramen?] said, "This is the only one you can go to."  They wouldn't let us go to any of the other islands.  We didn't really know why. 

DR:  You were set up.   Let's take a look.  We talked a little bit about Flica's last minute strategy pull to try and pull the tide against Jonathan.  Let's take a look at that clip right now. 

<video clip of Flica trying to sway votes>

DR:  Where did Yul's glasses come from? 

Flica:  I think he lost his contacts or something happened like that.  I'm not positive on that. 

DR:  It's a professor sort of look for him.  We saw you plotting against Jonathan.  How much of that was strategy, how much was personal, how much was, as Sundra said, saving your ass?

Flica:  I think that it was strategy from the very beginning.  I wanted Jonathan out before I wanted Becky out.  Everyone else was like, "Becky, Becky, Becky.  We're going to vote Becky out, she's the princess."  I was pushing for Jonathan because he's too aggressive when it comes to his ability of the knowledge of the game.  You kind of get defensive around him because you know that he's plotting against you.  It's kind of freaky. 

DR:  Deitz, you told Jessica right when you showed up here, "I can't believe it was you, it should have been somebody else."  Who did you think it was going to be?

TD:  I thought it might be Ozzy.  I didn't think it was going to be Ozzy but I then thought it was going to be Jonathan and only because of what everyone was saying.  Not everyone had full trust with him.  But the fact is, no one felt 100% sure about him, even in his own alliance.  They weren't sure so I thought he was going.  I was really surprised when she went. 

DR:  How close was that bond between you and Jonathan?  We saw Yul say it last night...everyone says he has this kind of creepy vibe.  I haven't seen it.  Does it seem like they are still holding pretty tight or not?

Flica:  I think that Yul is kind of playing it safe with trying to keep it their original alliance once the merge happened.  I think he's keeping Jonathan around because he needs his strength, possibly.  I would think they would want to keep Ozzy around because of all the food.

DR:  It's weighing that balance of provider versus threat when you go to individual immunity, right?

Flica:  And Ozzy is kind, a kind person.  So when it came to like the final two, if they were both in it, everyone would have something negative about Jonathan because everyone was kind of like, "he's like a dirtbag."

DR:  You see Ozzy's dark side with throwing the challenge earlier.

Flica:  I was really surprised about that one.  He was definitely trying to play the game really fast.  Moving too fast. 

TD:  I think it's the only wrong move he's made so far.  I think he's getting to the point where he's strategically approaching the other people saying, "Hey, you need me for the food."  It's day 17, people are starting to get dehydrated and people are starting to get major weight loss at this point.  People start getting cranky.  You need the constant food intake and he's got it going on.  Hopefully they'll feel secure enough in their own tribe that they'll be able to continue to bring him to the merge.  Then it's every man's game.  You pretty much have to win every individual challenge because if they think you're strong they'll vote you out if you don't win.

DR:  We're going to take a very quick break.

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