Survivor Live Internet Talk Show with Candice Woodcock
Episode 11 Survivor: Cook Islands  Cast-Off 
Segment 2 Transcript

(Transcript by SurvivorFever.net 12.01.06)

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JM = Jenna Morasca  DR = Dalton Ross  Candice = Candice Woodcock

DR:  Candice, here's my one big question.  You're at the food auction.  We get to a point where Jeff Probst holds up a piece of paper and says, 'this can give you power in the game.'  You guys are down in numbers.  Explain to me how and why you and Adam do not combine every single dollar you have in the world.  Because you don't know what kind of power that is.  We see Yul and Becky go to 640, you top at 620.  What's going on?

Candice:  I put all my money in.  It really wasn't my place to tell Adam that he had to give me his money. 

JM:  So he gave you like the nod, like, no more?

Candice:   Yeah, he just said, no.

DR:   Why? He wants some food?  Power in the game!

Candice:  I don't think that you can really accuse him of thinking too much.

DR:  Ohhh.  Snap.  It's gettin' good.

Candice:  I don't mean that in a mean way just that he's a simple guy.

JM:  I'm gonna bust a stitch over here. I love it.  He seems like, just happy.  Like he's sniffed a lot of glue.

Candice:  He is a happy, nice guy.

JM:  Did you mention anything to him afterwards?  Like, 'you're a jerk.'  After you got back from Exile Island?

Candice:  No.  He had no idea what it was and he couldn't share it and I was a little bit upset that Parvati didn't offer because I had Yul, Jonathan and Becky all putting money in.  So it really didn't matter if the two of us put all of our money in.  We were never going to outbid them. 

Caller:  Do you think that you and the other young ones were accurately edited?  My second question is, is there a scene that made it onto the show that you wish hadn't?

Candice:   In general I think there were a lot of things that I did that they could have shown that were positive.  When I did go out and fish...I actually caught the first fish on our tribe when we were at Raro.  Unfortunately it was poisonous and we couldn't eat it.  I did do work.  I didn't do as much work as Jonathan.  I do think it was a bit unfair to make it look like we didn't do anything.  Cause we did.

DR:  Was there anything that they showed that you wish they simply had not shown?

Candice:  All the kissing and stuff. 

JM:  How'd you do that without brushing your teeth?

DR:  Ewwww.

Candice:  Well we did every morning brush our teeth with a little hibiscus bark, kind of scrubbing.  Jeff would say when we came in, "You guys stink." 

DR:  Candice is an equal opportunity kisser.  She's making out with Parvati, with Flica...

JM:  Peanut butter kiss.

DR:  I love you to Billy Garcia.

Candice:  I've got a lot of love to give, what can I say?

Caller:  Candice, did you actually call Jonathan a rat?

Candice:  I'm sure I did.  There was a lot of stuff that got edited out.  I'm sure I wasn't the first person to call him a rat.  The rat thing came up and yeah, I'm sure I did. 

DR:  I think my favorite comment was when he was called an obnoxious force. 

JM:  Who said that?

DR:  That was Sundra.  Because he was belching. 

JM:  I think at this point he's getting on everyone's nerves.  It's clear that he obviously doesn't care. 

DR:  I have no problem with the way Jonathan is playing the game.  I hated the mutiny but in terms of ethics, I don't think it really happens in Survivor.  The only thing Jonathan is that he hasn't been as subtle as you could be.  That's been the problem. 

JM:  He's abrasive but he's making a great show. 

DR:  You guys were all over him this week.  You were in the unique position where you jumped with him.  But Adam and Parvati are all over him like, "You're a traitor, you can't be trusted."  Hello.  You guys didn't have a problem with that when he was on your side.  All of a sudden everyone's railing on him.

JM:  Also when you jumped Jonathan didn't really get a welcome but they welcomed you when you both jumped and that was a clear showing of they obviously didn't like Jonathan.

Candice:  They expected me to come over because of the conversation that I had with Nate.  They were expecting Sundra, not Jonathan.  And Jonathan is a loud personality.  Some people are just like that.  You just gotta go with him.  You have to deal with all different personalities out there.  If you let it get to you then you're not really thinking what are the best options.  You can't just get rid of Jonathan as an option just because you don't like the way he sounds when he tells a story. 

DR:  We talked about the auction, I want to take a look at that again.

<video clip of auction>

JM:  I don't know when the food auctions turned so mean.

DR:  You love it!

JM:  Back in the day they used to be nice.  Now they're a little...but it's funny because Yul is so quick to point out, "They both have 500."  And then when she picks you he's like, "Ohhhh, no!" Come on.  That guy is definitely running the show with them.

DR:  He's the puppet master, right?  We saw you ask Adam for money.  Then he says no and you're back on Exile.  Does it get worse and worse or did you almost go into a routine or zone when you were there?

Candice:  I knew every time I made fire out there so that was the one thing that kind of kept me going, kept me warm at night.  It was nice, the last time, I didn't have to dig a huge hole looking for the idol cause I knew it was already gone.  But it was tough.  It was kind of like getting beat up over and over again.

JM:  Was the mutiny worth all the exiles?

Candice:  I don't know where I would have ended up with Aitu either because things change and you never know.  It was tough being out on Exile but obviously Raro could have voted out me before they voted out several other players and didn't even though I was on Exile Island and gone.  It didn't really hurt me in that aspect. 

DR:  We keep going back to the mutiny and for obvious reasons, it's such an important part in the game.  What's it like just in terms of perception.  The way you're seen on the show.  You're in this one tribe and you're pleasant and you're nice and then all of a sudden you do this [mutiny] and you're the villain.  You and Jonathan are the villains and now the other people on Raro become the villains because Aitu are the underdogs and everyone wants to root for the underdog and no one is rooting for you.  Is that weird to watch that on TV.

Candice:  Yeah it was weird to watch on TV.  I didn't feel like we were the villains when we were out there.  I think if we had in the end won out the editing would have been different.  But yeah, it was weird and it was tough but I realize that I sort of stabbed those other people in the back and of course there's going to be backlash for that and I didn't really think of all that going into the mutiny but I didn't think that they were going to be sending me to Exile over and over.  We had 10 seconds [to decide to change tribes].

DR:  Your thoughts the second you see Jonathan step out next to you?

Candice:  WOW.  Oh goodness.  I thought we were going to have some work to do.  They showed me talking trash on Jonathan as soon as we get there.  That was on purpose.  That was calculated.  It didn't matter how close Jonathan and I were and how long we were going to stick together.  But if we came over as a twosome that was going to vote together all the time.  You were not going to separate us.  That was very threatening to Raro for us to come over in the first place.  To come over as a solid twosome, no, I wanted to put distance between the two of us.  That made us a lot lower of a threat level. 

JM:  Did you think it was threatening for you and Adam to be a twosome, though. 

DR:  The only thing I saw was a threesome going on sometimes in that shelter.

Candice:  I knew that was bad as well but I couldn't get around it because Adam had already told all those people while I was on Aitu.  He had already told them about it.  They all already knew.  I couldn't deny that.  People would have been like, this girl is completely shady.

Caller:  I wanted to tell Candice that she showed a lot of character with all the time that she spent on Exile Island.  I'm sure Survivor in general must be tough and I'm sure that Exile Island was even more so.  My main question is one that Dalton kind of touched on a few minutes ago.   All this thing about Jonathan being a rat and a traitor, I went back and was thinking over some of the other episodes and you just touched on it a few minutes ago about you and Jonathan coming over I think the reason Jonathan jumped after you jumped was because you were supposedly in an alliance.  But yet even earlier in that episode you said that you really were not in an alliance with Jonathan.

DR:  What's your question, it's only an hour long show.

Caller:  My question is, why do you and Nate and everybody think that Jonathan is such a rat when essentially everybody was gonna vote him off, they just beat you to it.

DR:  People were just hurt.  As soon as you get outplayed by someone it just stings. 

Candice:  To be honest, I wasn't going to vote Jonathan out.  I wanted him with me.  He stepped off with me.  He was just as bad as I was.  He and I were together in the game the whole time.  I knew when it came between him and me I knew he would chose to save himself.  I would have done the same thing.  But I wasn't going to vote him out, I wanted to take him along.  I was mad but I understood that it was a game and I did kind of lay into him but I was going down and I was going down swinging. 

JM:  Jonathan is a final two opponent gold right now.

DR:  Yep.

JM:  I mean, come on.  And that's when it's going to start to get ugly with people's alliances like Ozzy and Yul and Sundra and Becky.  Everyone wants to vote out Jonathan now at the bottom and then everyone's gonna want to take him to the final two.  I'm gonna like to see that play out. 

DR:  One thing I want to ask Candice, and we're not asking how you're voting...

JM:  Because you can't. 

DR:  But at that time I saw a very interesting thing that bordered on classless if it's going to be real and true but it might have just been talk and a threat.  You guys threatened Yul and said, 'if you don't get rid of Jonathan now, if you're in the Finale Two, we will basically not vote for you.'  Now if that's just done as a last ditch ploy I don't have a big problem with it.  If it's really going to hold true I sort of do.  But what I'm going to get into is at that point when you guys say that and I'm not looking forward to what happens but at that point are you guys serious about that or are you thinking, 'we're just going to try whatever we can.'  Are you seriously thinking, if he doesn't go to Jonathan at that moment, if he doesn't do that, there's no way I'll vote for him?

Candice:  I think that was, you know, a ploy to get the vote changed but I don't see anything wrong with that if...you didn't really see too much of it but Yul made a threat to Jonathan in order to get him to flip. Saying, "We're gonna vote you out to get you back, it's going to bounce back with the idol and stuff."  I thought that was possibly a big bluff on his part.  So I mean, whatever, you do what you can when you're in that situation to change, to turn the tide.  So I don't think there was anything wrong with them threatening that.

DR:  If it's a bluff, I have no problem with that.  What I would have a problem with is if someone gets into the final...if Yul is up in the final two and Adam or whoever, who basically called it out says, "I'm not going to vote for you because you didn't do this."  When you're supposed to vote on who played the best game, that's bulls***.

JM:  That doesn't always happen.  We have seen other seasons where that doesn't always happen.

DR:  All Stars.  Amber winning.

JM:  I didn't want to say it but I'll just tell you the truth that the best player has not...you know...you guys watch the show, you know what we're talking about.  It doesn't always happen and it's not fair.  It's definitely not fair.

DR:  And no one likes to see that.  We want to see the best player win.

<Probst's Thoughts>

Jeff Probst:  Candice.  Candice, you came onto the show saying, "I'll manipulate the boys if I have to.  They'll never see me coming."  And as you're sitting there now, that's the big question.  Did you manipulate any boys out there?  I wonder.  Candice, obviously very bright and that comes across in the game I think from the first few days out there.  We all had the feeling that if she lasted long that she would be a threat because you know how to read people and you're willing to make moves to keep yourself in the game.  The question is of course did you last long enough to make any of those moves.  I hope you did!  If you didn't, I'm sorry you had to go so soon.

DR:  What do you think about what Jeff Probst said? Is he right on or not so right on?

Candice:  No, I think he was.  I mean, I tried to come out and play as hard as possible.  I tried to talk to people on a daily basis and see where they were.  I wanted to have as many options as I could and not just have one choice and one strategy. 

DR:  And that's the interesting thing when I hammer home the mutiny thing is because usually when somebody is going to do that it would be someone on the outside.  Say a Brad or someone who's not getting along.  People liked you, like when you were on Aitu people seemed to like you.  On Raro, people liked you.  That one move sort of made you into a target when you were getting along well with everyone. 

JM:  It almost made you into a villain, which is crazy.

Candice:  And like I said, I could have made it probably a good ways with Aitu but you never know and I was there to win and I didn't want to ride somebody's coattails.  I wanted to make a choice to be in control of my own fate and I thought at the time that with everything that was playing it made sense. 

JM:  Should your tribe have not lost all of those and been down in numbers now it would have been an advantage for you.

Candice:  Right, yeah.  If we hadn't lost all the challenges, that bottle where we had to vote two people out, had Jonathan not flipped...

JM:  That's a lot of factors.

Candice:  Any one of those things, if they had gone differently, I think I would have gone a lot further in the game. 

DR:  We're going to take one more quick break.

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